Thursday, 17 February 2011

Correspondence with GuidoFawkes on #AV

In response to my piece criticising Charlotte Vere, earlier today. Read UP from the bottom to the top, to follow the correspondence:

 

 Guido;
It will not lead to pandering to the BNP because, for the reasons I have explained below, which you seem surprisingly reluctant to debate or to acknowledge, the BNP will be WORSE off under AV than under FPTP. AV is probably the worst of all possible systems for Parties (such as the BNP) that genuinely deserve the descriptor, 'extremist', that is, Parties that are hated by a majority of the population. The BNP will be seriously hit by AV (especially if AV later gets introduced into Council elections). Again, that might have something to do with the fact that, as apparently you did not know when this correspondence began, the BNP are virulently opposed to AV, and claim (not without some reason) that it is a conspiracy to stop them ever getting elected...
 Rupert.
 
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:40 +0000, "Guy Fawkes" <guido.fawkes@order-order.com> wrote:
AV...will lead to pandering to extremist parties like the Greens and BNP by mainstream politicians.

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Rupert Read <rupertread@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
yes, but he DOESN'T want AV! he wants PR. those are the facts. 
 
 
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:10 +0000, "Guy Fawkes" <guido.fawkes@order-order.com> wrote:

Nick Griffin wants electoral reform.

On 17 Feb 2011 15:00, "Rupert Read" <rupertread@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> dear Guido;
> (1) The BNP are AGAINST
> AV: [1]
http://isupportav.co.uk/2010/11/the-bnp-are-campaigning-against-av . AV would be disastrous for the BNP, because the BNP
> only get elected under FPTP when people don't know who to
> tactically vote for to beat them. Under AV, lower preferences
> combine against them and invariaby would defeat them.
> (2) You can call us Greens 'extremists' if it floats your boat, but it would
> be helpful if you were to address the substantive point I make:
> that Vere is tacitly and pretty-disgracefully misrepresenting
> Greens as closet-BNP supporters. Which is just ridiculous: there
> is virtually no overlap between Green and BNP support, virtually
> no overlap whatsoever between our policies and politics (which
> can't be said for example of the UKIP-BNP nexus, where there is
> quite a bit of common ground.).
> best, Rupert.
>
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:25 +0000, "Guy Fawkes"
> <guido.fawkes@order-order.com> wrote:
>
> I think it would be a disaster if extremists like the Greens
> and BNP benefited from AV.
> Ask yourself why the Greens and BNP are in favour of AV?
> Because they know it will boost their chances.

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